Sep. 7th, 2012

Superb conversation with Akien yesterday; today doing followup on that is one of my two main projects; the other is make significant progress on studying Bacon.

So far, this piece of writing seems to have four subsets in it: A discourse on being a citizen, my own story of how and why I became interested in the question, the Positive Proxy proposal, and a discussion of "What is a Nation" that Akien thinks is a strictly Joel-specific requirement, but seems to me to be more general -- if we're asking people to be citizens, and the current operative definitions is that they are citizens *of a specific nation*, we have to know what a nation *is* before we can design interfaces for it.

I *think* I can see Akien's point -- from the user perspective, you don't care how the interfaces is *designed*, you just want to know how and where to plug into it. But I'm used to having geeks for clients, who *do* want to know how and why the interface was designed, and will often critique the design.

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